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in entitlement reform. medicare, medicaid, these are chief drivers of the deficit. there's other spending we have to cut. >> hold on a second. i think that we all know what the chief drivers of our deficit are and have been. our projected deficit has driven by the wars and the bush tax cuts. entitlement programs don't even compete with these costs. plouffe went on to pin the problem largely on republicans who are not flexible, but he also said this. >> where the big bottleneck is republicans in congress around revenue and how much and where does it come from, democrats are going to have to step up and do some tough things. and the notion that somehow that these deficits and our debt are not a threat to our national security on our economic future is something i cannot disagree with more strongly. there are some commentators on the left that suggest that. that we shouldn't deal with that at all. >> voices on the left are not saying the deficit is not a problem for our future. progressives understand we need to deal with our debt, but progressives don't want to see the burden of deficit reduction p
to solve the deficit standoff, people should listen to this guy. plouffe said this is going to get hairy? >> we want to engage in comprehensive tax reform. we also need to engage in entitlement reform. you know? medicare, medicaid carefully, these are chief drivers of our deficit. we made a lot of progress with obama care and there's other spending we have to cut. >> hold on a second. i think we all know what the chief drivers of our deficit are and have been. our projected deficit over the next seven years is driven mostly by the wars in iraq and afghanistan and the bush tax cuts. entitlement programs don't even compete with these costs. plouffe went on to pin the problem largely on republicans who are not flexible on higher tax rates, but he also said this. >> and so where i think the big bottleneck right now is republicans in congress on revenue and how much and where does it come from. democrats are also going to have to step up here and do some tough things. and you know, the notion that somehow that these deficits and our debt are not a threat to our national security and our econo
to do something to fix our skyrocketing deficit. our national deficit that he will tell you has been going up and up and up like a rocket and spiraling out of control like a something going out of control and paul ryan is just so right and if congress and president obama do not do something to stop the skyrock edding deficit, to sop up the red ink, if they don't do it by new year's or sometimes whenever the emergency is supposed to happen, we will go flying off the fiscal cliff. and not like these guys who mean to do that, but more like cliffhanger cliff on "the price is right" for whom going over the edge is really a dire mistake. beware the fiscal cliff. you will hear this at the thanksgiving dinner table. when someone inevitably brings up the fiscal cliff and how our sky rocketing deficit is a huge danger to us, do not crawl under the table. do not give up on thanksgiving. help your giant uncle understand that what he is freaking out about is not true. it is easy. there are visual aids that might help. look. first of all, the amount of money borrowed by the government has been goi
to the deficit, they say, and it needs to be part of the deficit. the opposing view of durban says social security is not in a crisis. back to our question for our viewers. how would you fix your school system? david in kansas, an educator, republican line. caller: i just want to say i am an educator. i'm not republican. i would make education a completely free market good. i would get rid of compulsory school attendance. --would get rid of taxation a i think you need a wall that separates the government and education, just like we have a separation between government and religion. host: ok. june in wisconsin, independent. caller: hi. you know, the baby boomers got the last excellent, well-rounded public-school education. it was based on the basics -- proper english, writing. for whatever reason, somebody decided -- and i saw a teacher wrote an article on why we have to write all these rules in english, such as "i before e" in english. i thought, are you kidding me? for some reason somebody said, "whatever you think it is, and johnny." it's ridiculous. there's nothing wrong with people un
, don't worry as much about the deficit, the revenues will come in, and we have to get rid of the social safety net the way it's been, and cut spending, slash spending dramatically. it was very divided policywise and barack obama won pretty handily. >> a week after the election john boehner, speaker boehner, does a press statement and he says we're not going to raise revenues. we should look at loopholes and deductions. >> one thing that hasn't changed and you can put on as many senate republicans as you want looking reasonable. what hasn't changed is the tea party caucus in the house. they've lost a few members, but they're still a majority and john boehner has to find some way to get something past them. that's why i doubt there will be a christmastime deal. i think the president is going to have to let these tax cuts end and then boehner may have a chance of convincing them to pass tax cuts for the bottom 98% without the top 2%. >> do you agree with that, dr. peterson? that the president will be forced to allow these to run their course simply so that republicans in the house won't ha
, that is .5 percent of the deficit. we cannot get there, get the deficit down without significant cuts in spending. >>neil: the election has consequences and you could argue that a key premise of the president's re-election was i will raise taxes on the rich and he is likely entitled to that, he will likely see that but it is all the other things they are leveraging with democrats do not touch entitlements and putting everything on table it remind me of george bush sr. he agreed to reverse the pledge oh ride -- "read my lips, no new taxes." but the democrats never offered correspondenting spend cuts. we know what happened to him. what happens to those who agree do in the republican party? >>guest: the republican party has to stand for economic growth and it has to stand for the principle that keeping tax rates low and reforming the tax system is the way to grow the economy. i disagree slightly with rand paul. i am in favor of closing loopholes. i hate them. i call them termites in the tax system but we should use that money to credit a first-class world class tax system that stops expo
income is going down. who is better prepared to help us with with deficit reduction? struggling working people or people on top doing well? >> that was answered on november 6th. the proposals will be coming in next week. what changes would you be willing to make to medicare because the republicans, you heard mitch mcconnell, you have to have entitlement reform to the republicans is cuts. that's what their entitlement reform is. would you do anything to medicare at all? >> sure. look, ed, what has to be understood is are we not only the country that doesn't care to all people, we pay by far much more per capita for health care than does any other nation. it's a wasteful system. for example, in terms of medicare, republicans demanded as part of medicare part d that the medicare could not negotiate drug prices with the pharmaceutical industry. the v.a. does that. why isn't medicare doing that? furthermore, if we develop efficiencies that save the system money, let's do it. but let us not cut benefits for the elderly or for the poor who are on medicaid. >> finally, senator, are you willing
's translate that. according to the congressional budget office, falling off the cliff would cut the deficit but stop economic recovery in its tracks. now presidents in both parties usually try to put money in people's pocketses to stimulate the economy. president bush sent taxpayers a refund check while obama has cut payroll taxes. p falling off the cliff is a reversal of that approach. that's why the cbo estimates economic growth would drop under 1% to just .5%. and unemployment could jump over a point to 9.1%. heather, we know the costs, we understand this game because the republicans have been playing it for a while. do you think anything has shifted post-election in way that will actually get a deal done? >> i think what's really come to roost for conservatives has been the fact they were pushing a vision for our economy that included basically just this, except for the tax increases, right. they said starting in 2010, the deficit is the most important thing, it's the most important thing, and now, they're basically faced with immediate deficit reduction and realize, oh, this is actuall
reduce the deficit. it doesn't make a lot of sense to get rid of a deficit reduction program, as part of a deficit reduction deal. the white house already rejected boehner's idea. obama care will not be part of debt negotiations. boehner is up to something here, don't you think? something else, that is. if you watch john boehner closely over the last two weeks, you can see him laying the ground work for the latest ploy. he call eed obama care the law the land, but also tried to link it to obama care and the budget. >> you had said, next year, that you would repeal the health care vote. that's still your mission? >> well, i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. i think there are parts of the health care law that are going to be very difficult to implement. and very expensive. and at a time where we're trying to find a way to create a toward a balanced budget, everything has to be on the table. >> but you won't be spending the time next year, trying to repeal obama care? >> there are certainly may be part
to pay a little bit more to reduce the deficit. bill: what happens if they don't see a deal? 90% of americans will see a tax hike in 2013. and families that make between $40,000 and $65,000 will have to pay an extra $2,000 to washington, d.c. in taxes. martha: concerns over america's fiscal cliff have sent the markets lower in premarket trading. there is a look at where the dow is poised to open this morning. with the dow, the s & p and the nasdaq all trading lower. speaking of that, a new round of violent protests break out in egypt as police fired teargas into the crowds. here are some of those scenes. >> unbelievable. more than 100,000 people flooded into downtown cairo. this time they are protesting the current president martha maccallum and his power grab. they are disillusioned with what he has brought to their country. then you have this happening. police firing teargas. gypt's highest courts refusing to work in protest of morsi's actions. steve harrigan is streaming live from cairo. the protests looked like the unrest we saw in that same square back in 2009 and the arab
puts forward his plan. how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that you would break that pledge with glove norquist. >> well, thomas, let's use a couple numbers here. even with this measly economic growth we've seen the last three years, revenue at the federal government has increased $344 billion per year. if we just return to a normal economy that returns about 18.5%, that would increase revenue an additional over $400 billion per year, that's $750 billion of revenue per year through economic growth. and the president, his proposal would raise 1/10 of that but would put at risk the economic growth and that $750 billion. so -- >> sir, with all due respect, though -- >> counterproductive. >> tha
rate will necessarily go up. we talk about debt and deficit in this chamber, if we remember less than 12 years ago, 12 years ago we hit a budgetary surplus of $258 billion. meaning that we were taking in $258 billion more in each year than we were spending. how was that possible? it was made possible by having created 22 million private sector jobs in the previous eight years. . what was the policy then? the policy was to invest in the american economy, in the american people, in education, in scientific research, and infrastructure. so i think the lessons from our most recent past are very instructive today as to what we should be doing in washington to promote growth. the gentleman from california spoke of a plan i was working on, that's a $1.2 trillion investment in rebuilding the roads and bridges of america. that plan, advanced by the new america foundation, would create 27 million private sector jobs in five years. the first year alone, over five million jobs which would reduce the current employment rate from where it is today to 6.4% and in the second year, 5.2%. now public in
a long-term deficit reduction deal. grover norquist was on cnn on friday responding to senator chambliss' comments. let's listen to what grover norquist had to say. [video clip] >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and to reform government and not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, need to have that conversation with the people of georgia. he talks about my plan to increase debt, the only plan i think i supported is the paul ryan deal, which reduces the deficit, pays down the debt, does not raise taxes, and it is a written plan that senator chambliss actually voted for. so i think they caught him on a tv station and he said something scraps that did not make sense. >> have you thought about changing the pledged in any way? >> again, i cannot change the pledge, because t it is,o me. it is not like people are promising this to me. >> it was your group. everybody associates the pledge
" and he joins me now. thanks for being with us now. we appreciate it. you compare the deficit to an insurance policy. you say it doesn't make you any richer in the short-term, but in the long-term, it is helpful. i want to actually put your statements up. you say let's agree to keep deficits very high for at least another year. and then let's buy an insurance policy against that debt crisis when we can really afford it. so lots of republicans and democrats out there would disagree greatly with you. say that america's ability to pay its debt is really important. how would you respond to them? >> right. i do think that there's a thing that's taken place in washington deficit reduction will stimulate us to enormous growth in 2013. the fact is what deficit reduction is, is tax increases and spending cuts, both of which take economic activity out of the economy. so this really is extremely similar to insurance. if i buy, say, flood insurance. what i'm doing is i'm paying a short premium in the short-term, to protect my house in the long-term. that's exactly what deficit reduction i
it and they are very, very, very loathed to break it. and that's made it impossible to reach a deficit reduction deal, until now. "the new york times" has an article in which republican after republican after republican goes on the record by name dismissing his pledge and his power. peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out. senator of georgia said, i'm frankly not concerned about the norquist pledge. senator john mccain said fewer and fewer people are signing this "pledge." it's actually a pledge, but any way. senator coburn called it "a tortured vision of tax purity." and it did you want end there in that article. bill crystal said this. >> let's have a serious debate. don't scream and yell when one person says, it won't kill the country if we raise taxes on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer. >> a calmist at the national review wrote, as a matter of
're saying is we don't want to cut the deficit too fast. now when it comes to the fiscal deficit -- >> i want to transition you to the other hot topic that we've been following. it's senator john mccain and his stance or lack thereof now against ambassador susan rice. let me play what he said earlier. i believe it was november 14th and his new line of words, i guess, regarding her possible nomination for secretary of state. let me play it back to back. >> we will do whatever's necessary to block the nomination that's within our power as far as susan rice is concerned. >> she could conceivably get your voros for secretary of state? >> i think she deserves the ability and opportunity to explain herself and her position. >> lois, what's the scoop there there and what's behind this change? >> i think that john mccain is a very, very smart politician, and, you know, a smart politician doesn't want to box in the opponent like he tried to do with president clinton so that president clinton runs out and nominates her. i think everybody needed to kind of cool off a little bit and if he backs off, the
to the voters that mitt romney did not. obviously, mitt romney had a huge deficit with african-american voters, hispanic voters and women voters, so i think these potential candidates are trying to map it out. >> david corn, when george w. bush ran, he got such a quick surge in the polls that no one was able to stop him. is jeb bush that guy this time? is he the one that if he makes it clear he's running, others will decide not to? >> you know, i still wonder if two words come to mind. too soon. i mean, the george w. bush presidency is still not held in high esteem amongst many voters who still blame bush for the economic downturn at the end of his administration that has carried us to this day. jeb bush has the ability to talk to hispanic, more moderate, but i also wonder if you know, people will be a little tired of the bush dynasty come to 2016. >> well, they're too tired of it now, but 2016 is a few years away. thank you both for joining me tonight. >>> coming up, good news for democrats trying to keep control of the senate in 2014 and one republican whose strategy for dealing with latino
senator pat toomey from pennsylvania. he was a member of the deficit reduction super committee last year that failed to agree on a plan. but he's been talking about this issue for a long, long time. good morning, senator. >> good morning. >> we just learned that president obama will be traveling to your backyard on friday to talk about the fiscal cliff and spending, and traveling to pennsylvania right now. is this a welcome visit as far as you're earned? >> as far as i'm concerned the president of the united states is always welcome in my state of pennsylvania. we welcome the president and look forward to his message, and i have some questions i'd like to-ish i hope he addresses. >> what questions? >> first of all the president seems absolutely determined to inflict a tax increase on the american people. two years ago he signed a bill that extended the current tax rates for two more years because he said the last thing you want to do is raise taxes in a weak economy. today the economy is weaker than it was two years ago. why in the world does he want to inflict that damage now? >> senato
deficit right now. it is the bridge to renewable energy, renewable energy will take a long time. if we can move to gas we get tremendous benefits in terms of cleaner energy on the way to renewable energy future. if we could get those things done, steve, this would be transformational for our economy but we have not been able to act on these things even though i said earlier there is wide bipartisan -- >> thank you. let me just try to poke holes in this. if we rollback time to just before the financial crisis you look at the u.s. deposition. douglas holtz-eakin was out there talking about that already. and john mccain and others have been but it is much worse today but if you look at the deck in a different way, look at private sector debt, the fact, forget government debt. before the financial crisis private-sector debt was 160% of gdp in the united states and despite averaging, back to 160% of gdp we are still in crisis mode, you had structural corruption between regulators and financial institutions and any place in the economy and a private sector event that led to a government response
.m. majority whip dick durbin will talk about the so-called fiscal cliff and deficit reduction at the center for american progress. fiscal cliff, a combination of those expiring tax provisions and budget cuts that could take place the beginning of the new you. they include the bush-era tax cuts and sequestration. live coverage starts at 1130 eastern also on c-span. we are likely to about the fiscal cliff during the senate session today getting underway at 10 a.m. eastern, just over a half hour from now. after the gavel and majority leader reid will be recognized to speak and will likely outlined the schedule for the day which could include debate on defense programs and policy, and possibly legislation to do with equal rights, people with disabilities. centers will us from 12:30-2:15 eastern for weeks the party meetings. live coverage of the senate and members gavel in right here on c-span2. right now some debate from the floor of the senate yesterday between majority leader reid and republican leader mitch mcconnell. d, w they talkede about potentialit't changes to filibuster rules. here's
california owes an astounding $167 billion. and it's running an annual deficit of about 9 billion. money they that can never never be paid back. what is california getting for all of that? high school graduation rate 37 out of 50 states. per capita income, $44,500. but, there is a 10.1% unemployment rate. crime number one. there are more prisoners in california than any other state. take a look at texas. high school ranks 44th. slightly above california. per capita income about 40,000 bucks per year. but there is relatively low unemployment 6.6%. convicts in state prisoners ranked number two behind california. so you can see there is not a big difference in the economic and social stats but there is a big difference in mind set. california has many more social welfare programs. golden state also has many more business regulations. texas, you could pretty much set up any bigness you want. you can also ride a motorcycle without a helmet. talk on the cell phone without a car and on and on. texans basically saying hey, government, get out of our lives. californians on the other hand generall
to reduce the long-term deficit, that requires a combination of cuts. it also means asking high income individuals to pay a little bit more. that was a key issue in the campaign. all the exit polls show the american people are on the president's side. the only people who appear to be totally deaf to that are some of the congressional leaders in the republican house and senate. so i think it's important that the president get out and talk to the american people. this is part of the national conversation. this is a very important moment, and so it's important even as the president talks to congressional leaders and he had them down to the white house and continues to be in contact with them, he should engage the american public in this very important national conversation. >> let me ask you, you have a couple of senate republicans who have come out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medic
and your party come to this debate with big deficit because you and president bush and dick cheney lied this country into war and you had a lot of lies on foreign policy about wmds. president bush even said once in may 2003 that we found the wmds in iraq. dick cheney and condoleezza rice talked about links to al qaeda in iraq. you've never made up for those huge, serious, significant lies in the arena of foreign policy. and now you're picking apart, you know, basically the very early and ultimately not misleading with regard to foreign policy decisions, statements that this diplomat made. >> one thing we're learning right now the meeting with ambassador rice and senator corker is happening as we speak so a little earlier than that noontime appointment. but the one thing we heard also from senator barrasso in the last hour was john considerry's name floated out and it would be easier for him to sail through. you had the opportunity to work with john kerry before. >> sure. >> when we hear about this, is that really what the game, as joy-ann said, this machiavellian game, basically let's g
study out, sweden suggests that teens and adults with attention deficit disorder are four to seven times more likely that be others to break the law. the study published in the new england journal of medicine also found that the use of adhd medication into adulthood might also help curb crime. >>> markets left off on a high note before closing for today's holiday. the dow close at the 12,836 after gaining 48 points. the s&p was up three and the nasdaq added nine. >>> heading overseas now, the nikkei shot up 144 points, while the hang seng climbed 218. >>> hostess has made their last twinkies and loaves of wonder bread. the company whose products date back to the late 1800s has received permission to sell off its brands putting more than 18,000 workers in the unemployment line on thanksgiving eve. >>> on a brighter note, home improvement retailer lowe's handed out 22,000 thanksgiving dinners to new york and new jersey families impacted by hurricane sandy. meanwhile, demonstratored protested outside and inside a walmart in oakland, california. similar protests are planned at over 1,000 wal
is an integral part of deficit reduction. from my side of the table, bring entitlement reform into the conversation. social security, set aside, doesn't add to the deficit. when it comes to medicare and medicaid, protect the integrity of the program, but give it solvency for more and more years. >> reporter: a source with engine of knowledge -- with knowledge of the negotiation says there is no date set in stone for the next meeting among the principle negotiate othe timing will depend on the progress of staff member, in the next few days. but we should not be surprised if they get together, sthiem week. shannon. >> shannon: we wish them much luck. thank you. our worst-case scenario, there isn't a deal. the former economics director it'll peter tracy, tells what did you say to expect if that happens and what will happen if it doesn't. let's talk positive, first. who do you think, if something comes together, will be the key players. >> we need to see president obama move off the position of entitlements and propose real reductions, tangible, real, so there is something to bala
are going to have to look at entitle reform. entitlement. reform is the only way to get the debt and deficit under control. we've got to take it on. >> chris: let me ask you, you say you would consider more revenue but with loopholes -- >> there's so many of them. >> chris: you voted against the bush tax cuts a decade ago because you said too many of the benefits go to the wealthy, not the middle class. once they were passed you have changed your view and said i'm not going to oppose them. it you could get a deal for entitlement reform and take a chunk out of the national debt, why is the 35% top tax rate which you oppose sacred? >> every economist i respect says if you raise tax rates at this time -- the president says that a couple of years ago -- it harms the economy. we're trying to help the economy. unless i'm convinced raising tax rates will be beneficial, obviously i think there's reason and grounds for my position. i also believe that we can and must get an agreement, otherwise i think first of all the markets are going to start reacting. >> chris: we'll talk about that in the next s
that his number one focus was jobs and the economy and also having a long-term plan to reduce the deficit in a balanced way and that means in addition to cuts you would also have revenue, revenue that you get by asking higher income earners to pay a little bit more to reduce the deficit and so the president was really clear in the campaign and i think it is really important that he take that discussion to the country now because he has said to the congress, the president said to the congress, just extend immediately all the middle class tax cuts and then we can decide what to do with folks at the higher end. again, it is important to understand the president has proposed that everybody get continued tax relief, existing tax rates, on the first $250,000 of family income, so he says let's extend that for everybody right now, but he believes we should ask higher income individuals to pay a little bit more. >> house majority leader eric cantor was on morning joe talking about the grover norquist tax pledge and whether he like other republicans would be willing to jump ship. here is his answer
is deficit is the biggest problem. here we are with the cliff, the curve, whatever you want to call it and what do we find out? even republicans are warning they don't want to go over the cliff because guess what? just cutting the deficit without any regard to the rest of our priorities is a bad idea. it happens to be the heart of republican economic policy and the other thing about never raising taxes, guess what? we don't have the gdp to seniors ratio than we did 20 years ago, so if we're going to be serious about an ageing population, it means you can't stick to these fantasies. >> i remember two years ago on the show, introducing him to the audience and explaining he's the most powerful republican in government and i had to do this long thing on who he is. and now, here he is in the center of this debate. let's listen to what the republicans are up against in the negotiations with the white house. jay carney indicated today what the president's stance is on income tax rates. >> i would say also that the president has made clear that he will not sign a bill that extends the bush
of the issues understood the solution to the deficit plan. >> what grows jobs in america are consumers spending money. and the average person needs that $2,000 in his pocket to drive the economy. saying that tax breaks for the rich drive consumers lower down to spend is like saying you could start your car by pouring gasoline on the hood. there's no proof, there's no factual data to support it. it's completely a sham to say that. >> and he's a business owner. we need more members of congress to sound like that. if the president is trying to achieve solidarity on raising the top tax rate, these are the voices that can come through for them with that message in a big way. an owner of an automobile supply company says she supports the plan even if it means her own personal rates will go up. . >> i would have higher tax rates, but r more important and more crucial, the middle class would be spending about $3,000 more. >> harry reid kept the focus on the president's winning campaign message of letting the tax cuts expire on incomes over $250,000 a year. >> the people who have done so well during thi
the bush tax cuts for over $250,000 expire, $80 billion. deficit of $1 trillion a year. you are only 18% of the way. you are still missing 82% of the pie here. that is the number. >> dana: two minutes left, can i ask you one other thing. transparency. some on right try to push for negotiations to be in the public and broadcast on cspan. that is a terrible idea. >> brian: it is terrible idea. the only time they dealt with the sleeves up and working deals out, grant you, eric, you are right. the grand compromise. you talk about stimulus and obamacare and the auto bail-out they did it on their own. president was not engaged. he passed it along. i don't care what harry reid says. medicare and medicaid and social security have to be restructured, not fine tuned. obamacare has to be in play. >> eric: you don't want to see it on c-span? i do. >> andrea: you worked on the hill, i did. we worked in washington. the chances of it really happening on c-span would happen in the men's room and the hallways. call each other after the camera left the room. someone brought this idea to me and it's reall
have to tackle the deficit. it's not only what we spend today, it's what with we owe tomorrow. sessions ha said we know what happened in the stimulus of 2009, $800 million was basically wasted. the president himself admitted the failure. there wasn't enough shovel-ready jobs, and not only that, it did not prevent national unemployment from being below 8%. in fact, it hasn't been below 8% for most of his term as president. so sessions was a shot over the bow to senators and house members, don't be fooling around with the stimulus. we've got to fix spending, and we also have to tackle revenue. but it's not going to be done with you now throwing a huge stimulus that we can't afford. ainsley: jeff sessions says spending will go up. do you agree with that? >> no. and as much as i love mr. smith dose to washington, i don't think one senator should be able to buck the will of the american people. two weeks ago we had an election, and the voters spoke loud and clear. they prioritize job creation over deficit reduction. now, the reality is the two don't have to be mutually exclusive, and i think
is an integral part of deficit reduction. yes, from my side of the table bring entitlement reform into the conversation. social security, set aside. doesn't add to the deficit but when it comes to medicare and medicaid, protect the integrity of the program but give it solvency for more and more years. martha: alabama republican jeff sessions is the ranking member on the senate budget committee. senator sessions good morning. good to have you here today. >> martha, thank you. martha: a lot of talk this morning after these sunday shows and watching both sides talk about this fiscal cliff about who seems to be moving and in what direction. what are you hearing, what are you hearing from lindsey graham who says, quote he is willing to break that pledge on taxes under certain circumstances? what are they really saying? >> i'm not sure what they're saying. there's a lot of this talk going on. i don't know who is speaking for the republican party. the house of representatives where you have a substantial republican majority but the truth is that this country does not need to go through t
out of their pockets to his deficit reduction. so we've had thoughts of things squeezing us at different levels. we are now facing biggest threat through sequestered. janet mentioned the fiscal cliff in one part of the fiscal cliff is these across-the-board spending cuts to take effect january 2nd. it's going to be an 8.2% across-the-board cut in education, job training and health, housing, fbi, air traffic controllers from the food safety, entire range of domestic programs. for education if you count headstart, which is at the department of health and human services a $4.8 billion cut would be the largest education cuts ever in the history of the country. that would just move us -- essentially move us backwards on whether the goal is closing achievement gaps come increasing high school graduation rates, increasing college access and college completion. our biggest challenge in the short-term this lame-duck lame-duck session this to work together with groups like the urban league and national council to come up with a balanced approach to deficit reduction. as genocide, as p
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